Which car would you buy and own long term if it were more reliable?

"KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time" (kngt)
10/15/2018 at 23:25 • Filed to: Ask Oppo, Volvo, volvo s60, s60, v60, volvo v60

An example- Maybe I am an idiot who is swayed by all the postive press- But the new S60 (And more so the even better looking V.60) has been getting glowing reviews and I want to consider the S60/v60 as my next vehicle (used of course) but I am skeptical of the Turbo + supercharged engine and the reliability of Volvo overall. But I’ve never driven one let alone owned one because I live in the Volvo desert of South Central US.

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https://www.motor1.com/reviews/269437/2019-volvo-s60-first-drive/amp/

What new or used car would you buy today regardless of the budget if it had the excellent reliability of a mid 2000s Toyota Camry? Or even 50% more reliable than it is now?

DISCUSSION (34)

Spanfeller is a twat > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
10/15/2018 at 23:22

A manual F type 400 coupe.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
10/15/2018 at 23:27

Not for me but for my wife a Mini Clubman all4 in Digital Blue Metallic.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
10/15/2018 at 23:27

BMW M3

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
10/15/2018 at 23:29

Stick shift W8 Passat wagon

wafflesnfalafel > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
10/15/2018 at 23:29

Alfas...

Milky > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
10/15/2018 at 23:30

Easy.

dogisbadob > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
10/15/2018 at 23:31

there are lots of cars in that category for me!

The VW Golf wagon is one

The 2-door Land Rover Freelander (looks so awesome in yellow), and the Jaguar X-Type wagon too

And of course, this was also the downfall of the C230 coupe. Otherwise, it would be like an honorary 240SX successor (cute lil RWD hatch thing for drifting)

AestheticsInMotion > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
10/15/2018 at 23:35

The problem is I’m terrified of many unreliable cars, but wholeheartedly plan on owning them anyways.

Discovery, 90's Alfa's, 90's Japanese halo cars, 90's-mid 2000's Volvos, E46 M3.... I could go on for days.

Spanfeller is a twat > Milky
10/15/2018 at 23:38

That is the right choice.

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > dogisbadob
10/15/2018 at 23:38

VW Golfs are already reliable!

dogisbadob > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker
10/15/2018 at 23:42

Kinja'd!!!

glemon > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
10/15/2018 at 23:42

That is so easy for me, RX8, drove a couple, loved them, and I drove a lot of different cars looking for my current daily driver. WRX, S2000, Z3, G35 , RSX, E46, C230 Coupe . Maybe I should have pulled the trigger before doing more research or maybe not... How many other cars in the last 20 years have had a factory engine replacement program out of warranty.

The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
10/15/2018 at 23:43

A M6 GC, 6spd of course.

Kinja'd!!!

interstate366, now In The Industry > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker
10/15/2018 at 23:51

Kinja'd!!!

interstate366, now In The Industry > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
10/15/2018 at 23:52

Milky > Spanfeller is a twat
10/16/2018 at 00:05

Almost bought one years ago, want a rotary powered 2nd car someday.

FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
10/16/2018 at 00:10

An E46 M3 convertible with the SMG. I almost bought one last month but I couldn’t bring myself to pull the trigger without knowing how many thousands the transmission was going to end up costing in the future.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
10/16/2018 at 00:42

Every usdm rotary Mazda ever made, RX 3, 7, and 8.

LastFirstMI is my name > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
10/16/2018 at 00:53

Alfa Romeo Quadro fellatio

gettingoldercarguy > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
10/16/2018 at 01:05

Miata

Always the answer

Am I doing it right?

CompactLuxuryFan > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
10/16/2018 at 01:40

Kinja'd!!!

RPM esq. > FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com
10/16/2018 at 02:30

If you think the SMG is the thing you have to worry about on an E46 M3...I’m sorry to report that the SMG transmission isn’t really any less durable than the manual it’s based on. No, what you have to do is buy one that has already had the VANOS fix and the subframe reinforced or at least checked recently and has never been driven through a puddle at speed because a surprising amount of sensitive electronics are located in places that get splashed. And you absolutely should buy one because they are the most fun you can have with your clothes on, including in the wet (RIP DSC computers). I miss driving mine all the time but I don’t miss maintaining it.

RPM esq. > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
10/16/2018 at 02:36

I owned an E46 M3 for the better part of five years. I now own a fairly rare special edition of the C63 AMG. I ain’t scared of a maintenance bill, but the M-car is the one I wouldn’t own again without a warranty (I did not have a warranty when I owned it). That said, I loved that car and would gladly own one again if reliability weren’t a concern or if the known major issues had already been addressed. So, basically I’d be the guy who bought it from me...

pip bip - choose Corrour > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
10/16/2018 at 05:06

another Mitsubishi Lancer

mine is almost at 700,000km

will happily take another

boxrocket > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
10/16/2018 at 06:02

Anything in the last 6 years by Volvo, Land Rover (especially a Velar, man that thing is handsome) , Aston Martin (Vantage V12 or a DBS... Maybe a Virage), maybe even an E63 AMG wagon... I know Volvo and Land Rover have come a long way, but modern electronics get rushed through to production making initial purchasers the beta testers, for better or for worse.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > CompactLuxuryFan
10/16/2018 at 07:06

First thing I thought of.

Sovande > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
10/16/2018 at 07:08

I’m with you. I am actually currently in a drawn out negotiation with the local Volvo dealership regarding a 2015 V60. They think it’s worth a lot and the rest of the world and I think they are wrong. Maybe it will work out and I can go from hot hatch to frumpy dad wagon!

GoodIdeaAtTheTime > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
10/16/2018 at 08:21

The only option ever, the Ferrari 355.

Although my good friend has a rough 348 approaching 260,000 miles.

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > interstate366, now In The Industry
10/16/2018 at 09:16

It’s not how many you can do before a CE L that matters, it's how many you can do with a CEL. And for me, that's every single one.

QCGoose > GoodIdeaAtTheTime
10/16/2018 at 15:11

Holy hell, why hasn’t there been a story on this car??? Connect your friend with one o f the FP editors ASAP.

GoodIdeaAtTheTime > QCGoose
10/16/2018 at 16:05

I did one at 201,000 miles about 2 years ago for a Ferrari site but it never got published/authorized/saw the light of day, not sure what happened to it. I will look at some old hard drives and see if it is on one of those.

Next time I get it for an extended service I will do another comprehensive write up/story on it.

QCGoose > GoodIdeaAtTheTime
10/16/2018 at 17:34

Especially since David Tracy just started his “ High-Mileage Heroes” series, this car would absolutely be a perfect candidate. I can believe he and probably all the editors would like to get an article out on that 348.

Hell, I’m dying to read about it already!

Fishleg5 > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
10/17/2018 at 19:13

Own certified (cpo) 2015 v60. Off-lease. Bought 1year ago with 38k mikes for 1/2 msrp. Sport su spension (lowered, firmer) , paddles and crosscountry plastic details. As cpo s till have 50k/3year bumper2bumper warranty. Have had to add air to tires and washer fluid. Reliability? Check. Love this car. Traded 2014 Fiesta St. Loved that car but afraid of long-term on that one.

arl > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
10/20/2018 at 10:08

Wow, that is a handsome car. Very well done Volvo